Peg3 R6 for iMac 27" TB1 and Sierra - Anything I need to know before buying?

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Paul Szilard posted this 09 June 2017

Hi folks, - I am new here so pls be gentle.

I have an iMac Late 2013 27" i7 Thunderbolt 1 which I use for video editing using FCPX. I intend ordering a Pegasus3 R6 24TB for video editing.

I would like to know of any gotcha's before ordering. I understand I will need an Apple TB1/2 to TB3/USB-C adaptor cable, and may have to install some drivers. I plan on using RAID 6, which will give me approx. 16TB of usable space. I have a Synology DS1815+ which will server as backup target.

Q1: Is the Peg3 R6 a suitable choice?

Q2: Will it work ok on TB1 iMac?

Q3: Anyone have any "real world" experience with this setup? Please share.

Thanks in advance,

Paul

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Venkatachalam Settu posted this 10 June 2017

Hi Paul,

The Pegasus3 R6 would be a good choice but test the performance before going to the production.

Pegasus3 unit doesn't work on Thunderbolt 1 connection. But you can try with any Thunderbolt adapter to see if it works. Pegasus3 unit can support thunderbolt 3 connection.

Thank you.

 

 

 

Paul Szilard posted this 11 June 2017

I know that Thunderbolt 3 connector is different from TB1 and TB2. It is same as USB-C, so I ordered the Apple patch lead to convert. With that it should be fine on my current TB 1 connection.

Can anyone confirm this???

Dinesh Kannusamy posted this 11 June 2017

Hi Paul, 

No. Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 adapter is compatible only with the mac which has inbuilt Thunderbolt 2 port and the adapter is not compatible with Thunderbolt 1.

Thank you.

Paul Szilard posted this 11 June 2017

Hi Paul, 

No. Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 adapter is compatible only with the mac which has inbuilt Thunderbolt 2 port and the adapter is not compatible with Thunderbolt 1.

Thank you.

 

This has got to be wrong. Apple Support told me that it will work. TB2 devices work on TB1, so converting TB3 to TB2 should also work on TB1. Also, someone on FCP.co forum siad it works too.

Paul Szilard posted this 16 June 2017

Pegasus3 R6 arrived today. It had an Apple TB3 to TB1/2 adaptor in the box. I installed the Promise driver on my iMac, which has only TB1 and all is working PERFECTLY! I am getting over 700MBps on Blackmagic Disk Speedtest - even while the box is resyncing. Bloody brilliant.So Dinesh, I am afraid you were wrong this time.

Paul Szilard posted this 18 June 2017

How much RAM is in the R6 and can it be upgraded? Is it worth it? I thought more ram would allow caching the files tructure.

Raymond Sherman posted this 07 July 2017

Sent back two Pegasus R6 24TB Mac Symply editions over the past couple weeks. Both had Backplane Temperature warnings after 15 minutes with cooling fan ramping up to 2200 rpm. Spent several hours with Support along with computer access to my fully loaded 2016 15" MacBook Pro. Test was done "in house" which Promise techs duplicated. Stated last week that a new Utility update is needed. When?? is anybody's guess. I sent back both units and may purchase another once Promise gets this issue fixed........ If anyone has this problem, I'm sure your cooling fan has been running high. If so, please report it. Check your Promise Utility for these Backplane warnings.

Paul Szilard posted this 08 July 2017

My R6 has been running perfectly (touch wood).

Backpane fan 1300rpm 46 deg C / 114 deg F

Controller 69 deg C / 156 deg F

Raymond Sherman posted this 08 July 2017

My R6 has been running perfectly (touch wood).

Backpane fan 1300rpm 46 deg C / 114 deg F

Controller 69 deg C / 156 deg F

Good to hear...... My guess is that you have a Pegasus 2 R6. Is your's a Pegasus 3 R6 24TB Symply edition? There were 49 Pegasus 3 R6's between the two I had. This is how many there were between the serial numbers. As I stated, Promise Technology acknowledged this issue first hand through there own testing a week ago. If anyone has a Pegasus 3 R6 24TB, keep an eye on your Backplane temperature warnings. You'll know due to the fan ramping up.

Paul Szilard posted this 08 July 2017

I have a Pegasus3 R6 24TB. I haven't heard of a Simply edition. The Promise Utility tells me:

  • Model: Pegasus3 R6Serial: MB4L171015.....
  • Revision number: A3
  • Firmware: 6.00.0000.12

Fingers crossed all is well. :)

It is connected to a TB1 connection via the Apple TB3/TB2 patch lead. Giving about 770MBps transfer speed, which is great.

Raymond Sherman posted this 08 July 2017

I wish I was so lucky......... Symply was a short lived partnership with Promise Technology. I believe it ended in the middle of this past March. If yours is a Symply edition it will state it on the rear panel under Pegasus. Glad to hear that you are up and running good. Hopefully, I will in the near future.

Raymond Sherman posted this 08 July 2017

The following is a screenshot of the Firmware and Driver information I had. I see the Firmware I was using ends with .17 instead of .12 Interesting, it appears that their newest firmware (.17) is one difference between yours and mine. Even a bigger difference is the heading of the serial numbers. Maybe Promise Technology had big issues with the Symply Editions......

The two serial numbers that I had were as follows;

1'st Pegasus3 R6 24TB serial #  W3L06CO36440 

2'nd Pegasus3 R6 24TB serial # W3LO6CO36489 

Raymond Sherman posted this 10 July 2017

Below you will find the answer I received today from Promise Technology;
Ray,
I’ve forwarded your comments to the engineering team and asked when this will be available. Unfortunately, the release date won’t be until later this year from our corporate office in Taiwan. We are trying to push the date up but there is no specific date being given. I apologize for the delay and the frustration it is causing.
Regards,
John Holland

R P posted this 10 July 2017

Hi Raymond,

As we previously discussed in your support case, this issue is cosmetic, not functional, it will not affect data or drives.

The Pegasus is not overheating, a default threshold setting for the temperature warning is set a little too low.

We have an updated Promise utility (still in beta) that fixes this issue, I have verified that it works, but you did not want to use a beta. Note that this is not beta firmware, but a beta Promise Utility running on the MAC. The changes are minor, basically it tweaks the threshold temperature to where it should be.

This will be fixed, and we are doing what we can to get this fix out as soon as possible. But right now the fix is a beta Promise Utility, and it does work.

Regards,

--Rich

Raymond Sherman posted this 10 July 2017

I.M.O. and I'm sure in others...... Bad answer.

As we previously discussed in your support case, this issue is cosmetic, not functional, it will not affect data or drives.

How do you figure "Cosmetic" when the cooling fan is running at 2200rpm and stays ramped up after 15 minutes just transferring files under 50GB (1'st unit) and/or syncing as a new unit (2'nd unit)? This helps the longevity of the cooling fan? If this issue is cosmetic, not functional, and will not affect data or drives then why the Beta Disclaimer? Why would I sign a disclaimer freeing the company of any damages that may occur?

The Pegasus is not overheating, a default threshold setting for the temperature warning is set a little too low.

Maybe, maybe not...... Since it's such a simple issue with the threshold setting for the temperature warning being set a little too low. Why is it going to be later this year for an actual update?

We have an updated Promise utility (still in beta) that fixes this issue, I have verified that it works, but you did not want to use a beta. Note that this is not beta firmware, but a beta Promise Utility running on the MAC. The changes are minor, basically it tweaks the threshold temperature to where it should be.

Why hasn't there been an announcement from Promise Technology in regards to this updated Beta Promise Utility? Yes, I turned down the Beta simply due to the ridicules disclaimer freeing the company of any damages that it may cause. It's obvious that my two Pegasus's and the one you tested are not the only units in the field with these Backplane temperature warnings. Minor tweaks, for a company to ask for signed disclaimers freeing them of all liability to damages is totally ridicules and absurd. Not at my expense.

Quit making excuses and get these "Minor Changes and Tweaks" fixed for your customers..............

I only wish at this point I could contact James Lee President and CEO of Promise Technology. 

R P posted this 10 July 2017

How do you figure "Cosmetic" when the cooling fan is running at 2200rpm and stays ramped up after 15 minutes just transferring files under 50GB (1'st unit) and/or syncing as a new unit (2'nd unit)?

Cosmetic in this case means that it does not affect the function of the device. During the file transfer the drives consume more power and warm up. Since the 'warning' threshold is too low, the enclosure goes into thermal warning (unecessarily) and ramps up the fans to protect the drives and electronics.

If this issue is cosmetic, not functional, and will not affect data or drives then why the Beta Disclaimer?

This is disjoint, the beta disclaimer is for the unreleased promise utility, not the issue per se. It is standard for any unreleased software/firmware. And even then, beta software is not released untested, it's tested by both the development team and FAE.

Maybe, maybe not...... Since it's such a simple issue with the threshold setting for the temperature warning being set a little too low. Why is it going to later this year for an actual update?

The update has already been done, and I've tested it, but as it has not yet been released the beta disclaimer is standard. The release schedule is not in my control, but we are requesting a release as soon as possible.

Regards,

--Rich

 

Raymond Sherman posted this 11 July 2017

Cosmetic in this case means that it does not affect the function of the device. During the file transfer the drives consume more power and warm up. 

 I don't agree........ It does affect the function of the device. In this case, it places wear on the cooling fans which in return gives it a shorter life span.

 Yes, drives will warm up while transfering files but, very little. Remember, I transferred less than 50GB with the first Pegasus3. With the second Pegasus3, it was ony going through the syncing process. Both Pegasus's were only on for 13 to 15 minutes. I transfer well over 100GB all the time on a "single" little portable external hard drive. We're talking about a six hard drive array. Only cosmetic, why the disclaimer?

Since the 'warning' threshold is too low, the enclosure goes into thermal warning (unecessarily) and ramps up the fans to protect the drives and electronics.

 Being 3'rd generation, the minor changes and tweaks shouldn't even be an issue/exist. If these units were tested properly, the unnecessary thermal warning would have been corrected. Cooling fans began to ramp up right around 10 minutes and reached 2200rpm at approx. 13 to 15 minutes. Obviously, quality control didn't even give them 10 minutes of run time. Remember, there were 49 Pegasus3 raid arrays between serial numbers of the two I had along with the one you tested. How many more are out in the field?

On the flip side, I do believe that the warning threshold may be the culprit. As you expained earlier, the beta changes are minor, basically it tweaks the threshold temperature to where it should be. Again, why a beta update........ 

This is disjoint, the beta disclaimer is for the unreleased promise utility, not the issue per se. It is standard for any unreleased software/firmware. And even then, beta software is not released untested, it's tested by both the development team and FAE. 

 Once again, I don't agree ........ It has everything to do with it. The Beta disclaimer frees the company of any damages that may occur due to that Promise beta utility. Once again, not at my expense. If it's so minor due to a little tweaking, why a Beta version? 

It is standard for any unreleased software/firmware.

 Beta Standards? Let's examine this; It's not a simple Beta version download and/or disc containing software/firmware updates that could be removed without harming ones other equipment. The Pegasus is a stand alone piece of equipment that doesn't come cheap. If your beta update causes any damage due to it malfunctioning, you want me to pay for it? Would you purchase a $2000.00 plus Mac or PC with the company stating you need to sign a disclaimer freeing us of any damages due to having beta software/firmware inside? If so, I have some ocean front property I would love to sell you here in Michigan. A computer goes through a rigourous amount of testing before it's released, "as should the Pegasus." Yes, there are software issues at times and yes, there is beta software released to it's owners. But, not at the expense of their customers making them sign disclaimers. Like a computer, the Pegasus is stand alone. 

The update has already been done, and I've tested it, but as it has not yet been released the beta disclaimer is standard. The release schedule is not in my control, but we are requesting a release as soon as possible.

 Already done and tested by you........ The whole experiance has been a P.I.A. as a customer. Now you need to get on the ball and get it rolling, it should be anything but uphill from here. You received a Beta update within a couple days. A real update within 30 days should be both, reasonable as well as simple due to only a few minor changes and tweaks. After all this, I still have some faith in Promise Technology as a whole. Let's put more effort into a real update instead of trying to be right......

R P posted this 11 July 2017

Hi Raymond,

I'm afraid this is not going anywhere, and since you claim everything I say is wrong, there really is not much more to say.

But I will address 1 final point.

If your beta update causes any damage due to it malfunctioning, you want me to pay for it?

Promise will honor the warranty on our products, if a promise supplied drive fails, we will replace it, if an in-warranty chassis fails, we will replace it. The beta disclaimer does not affect the warranty in any way.

As I understand it, you've already returned the unit.  However, if you still have the Pegasus on hand and aren't happy with the hardware or the support you've been receiving, we will gladly authorize a return of the product to the reseller you purchased from.  Please reply in the support case we have open.  Thanks.

Regards,

--Rich

Raymond Sherman posted this 11 July 2017

You're correct, this is not going anywhere........ Enough said. Yes, I returned both Pegasus R6's to the point of purchase. Anymore action on this issue needs to be aimed at getting an actual update, not for just me but, all the customers that will/do need it. Ray

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